On this special episode leading to Malaysia’s 15th General Election, we look back at the nation’s first generation of leaders and what made them effective nation-builders, with a particular focus on Tun Dr Ismail Abdul Rahman, Malaysia’s second Deputy Prime Minister. We talk to Ooi Kee Beng, Executive Director of Penang Institute and author of the award-winning “The Reluctant Politician: Tun Dr Ismail and His Time”.