Dr. Ong Kian Ming—former Deputy Minister of International Trade and Industry, two-term Member of Parliament, and current Pro Vice-Chancellor for External Engagement at Taylor’s University—joins Dr. Beh May Ting in this episode. He brings his deep insights into Malaysian politics and current affairs, as demonstrated through his role as co-host of the popular Are We OK? podcast. Together, they explore Penang’s economic future in light of Trump-era tariffs, the challenges of human capital development, and Penang’s potential as a catalyst for fostering greater openness and sustainability through collaboration with neighbouring states.